There are some really neat videos posted on I believe youtube about the AR-15 20-223 (20 practical). Dec 13, 2012 #3 Great article right here with load data. Tactical is an improved case vs Practical being straight neck down of 223. The velocity variations between the 20 Tactical, the 20 Practical and the 204 Ruger are so minuscule that there are no true differences. You can neck .223 cases down in one pass with a … This is a discussion on .204 Ruger vs .20 Tactical/Practical within the M16 AR15 forums, part of the Rifle Forum category; HI All, was thinking of getting an upper in twenty caliber to shot varmints. From a practical standpoint, the differences between a 24- or 26-inch barrel and an 18- or 20-inch barrel are negligible, except when slow burning powders are used. The reason I would go with the 20t or the 20p is that it is a very easy wildcat round with very cheap brass. They are also great for self-defense purposes. .204 Ruger vs .20 Tactical/Practical. I went with the 20p over the 20t because the case forming is simple. The eight-date of Serie A had a very interesting duel for tactical analysis. .204 Ruger vs .20 Tactical/Practical Discussion in 'AR Talk' started by abijohn, Nov 5, 2013. Mine shoots 40gr Bergers in one hole at 100yds and almost as good with the 40 Vmax. Any thoughts or suggestions? Thinking about spinning up a 20 practical (neck down .223 to .204) wanted to see if anyone here has messed with one, any powder bullet combos info appreciated. I bought a XR-100 in 204 Ruger last year, and it shot poorly. The 20 Practical is the same shoulder angle as the 223 and shouldn,t have any feeding problems in the Ar-15. Well, Recover Tactical just entered the game with their budget-friendly option at just $99.95, while the Flux Brace retails for $259. Without checking, I think Tac is 30 something degree shoulder vs 20 something for … The 20 Tactical can be made from .223 Remington brass but there is also factory brass for it made by Lapua. Lots of good bullets. It also had other problems, like a gouge in the chamber, so Rem replaced it with a new rifle. Been … Of course we wanted something innovative, but the key reason is that the 20 Practical offers better ballistics than the .223 Rem with light bullets, and the 20 Practical shares few, if any, of the drawbacks of a typical "wildcat" cartridge. I like the rifle and the cartridge. Been … Like a law enforcement or military shotgun, the tactical shotgun should have a short barrel, 18 inches is the shortest civilian-legal length (outside of shotgun-style firearms, s… The 20 Practical uses .223 Remington brass necked down to 20 cal. A_Gamehog. HI All, was thinking of getting an upper in twenty caliber to shot varmints. The .20 Tactical is a wildcat centerfire rifle cartridge, based on the .223 Remington case, necked down to fire a 5.2 millimetres (0.204 in) caliber bullet. These high I bought a XR-100 in 204 Ruger last year, and it shot poorly. The neck length on the 20 Tactical is a bit longer, but there is still plenty of neck on the 20 Practical to grip the popular bullets, such as the 32gr V-Max. Nov 5, 2013 #1. abijohn Guest. However, some tactical pens are just copycat trash, created by manufacturers who don’t really give a damn about quality. The 11 means that this is a 1-11 twist. I also have a 220 Swift barrel sitting unmounted in the corner (big Savage fan). The new .224 Valkyrie for AR15-platform rifles has garnered lots of attention lately. In 2008, as a “proof-of-concept”, AccurateShooter.com created a 20 Practical AR15 “Ultimate Varminter” with a custom 20-caliber upper from Robert Whitley. Any concerns over the muzzle blast and sound/flash signature can easily be eliminated by the use of a sound suppressor (silencer). 30 and 40 degree shoulders? The “20 Practical” is a great little cartridge created by simply necking down the .223 Remington to 20 caliber. It did not say what you were going to use the rifle for. Why not the .223AI? They include features designed specifically for emergencies such as a glass breaker and a flashlight. Good-quality Lapua brass casing can be sourced readily. The .20 PRACTICAL is also a .223rem case necked down to a .204" bullet, but does NOT have the shoulder pushed back, therefore it holds slightly more powder than the Tactical, offering about the same performance as the .204 Ruger, and giving reliable feeding in AR-15 platform rifles. The “20 Practical” is a great little cartridge created by simply necking down the .223 Remington to 20 caliber. You can use range brass to make 20 Practical cases and the dies cost much less that the 20 Tactical. From the gun smithing to the reloading to the testing at the range and in the field it has been fun and educational for me. Of the 4 that you listed I would go with the 20t or the 20p over the 204. The case has approximately 0.2 grams (3 gr) less powder capacity than the popular .204 Ruger. I'm asking around for opinions. The .20's come into their own as a varmint gun with the 50 and 55gn Berger VLDs. Have not tried any other powders. No fire forming of the brass. Content tagged with 20 Tactical. Get a .20 Practical cut on a 1:9 or 1:8 blank. Redding s-dies with a 20cal decapping rod and a .230 and .225 bushing. Linkedin. The 50gn loads to right around 2.30" and the 55gn to 2.35". I did see a few 20 Tactical rifles made with a 23 degree shoulder like … Put the primer and powder in that you run in most of the 223's seat the bullet and go shoot. From the gun smithing to the reloading to the testing at the range and in the field it has been fun and educational for me. The 50gn loads to right around 2.30" and the 55gn to 2.35". You’ve probably heard of the “20 Tactical”, Todd Kindler’s 20-cal cartridge based on the .223 Remington necked down to 20 Caliber, with the shoulder modified to 30° and pushed back. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. I have more guns than needed, but not as many as I want. You can neck .223 cases down in one pass with a … The 20 Practical (Left) next to a .223 Rem (Right). okay .. a little more info. Sounds like you want to use the magazine, make up or borrow some 20 Tac rounds and make sure they feed at length and bullets you hope to use. All the details aren’t released yet, but Recover Tactical confirmed on their Instagram post that their new 20/20 brace will fit all 9mm and .40 S&W Glock models that have a … ... All 4 clean one shot kills with the 20 practical, the other two to a 6mmBR. I'm asking around for opinions. The objectives of all this are to produce moderate amounts of high quality ammo for varmint hunting using readily available components especially brass. I agree with armarsh that the 20 practical should have been the 204 because it is a very efficient cartridge. It is merely a necked down .223 with no other change. It has 100% feeding and function in an AR-15 and more - - - Comparing the 20 Practical and 20 Tactical Kevin tells us: "The 20 Practical and the 20 Tactical are almost identical cartridges. That was nice, but the new one doesn't shoot fer poop either. Robert . Joined: Jan 10, 2013 Messages: 41. These high The .20 Practical project is now in the ammo production phase. This caliber is a great choice when you’re looking for 4200 FPS or better velocities and you are shooting from a fixed position such as prairie dog shooting. Nov 5, 2013 #1. abijohn Guest. The velocity's are running neck and neck with my 204's. Owned a 204 and it was a shooter as well. The difference in the powder capacity is 2 tenths of a grain with the 20 Tactical having the slight edge there. Tend to use the 20TAC more just because I like the rifle more. Some people can handle it and some can’t. A search here could bring up lots of good data, no expert but I'll give you my 2 cents. Hello Operators. Expected delivery will be from 6 to 12 weeks depending on caliber selected and production schedules. July 10th, 2018 The 20-Caliber Black Rifle — AR Chambered in 20 Practical. José Mourinho is back! Telegram. The 20 Practical has the power and capacity to drive many of the 20 Cal bullets 500+ fps faster than the .223 Rem can drive its comparable varmint weight bullets. Pros/cons??? The 20 Tactical has a longer neck and most of the time a 30 degree shoulder. A friend seems to be enamored of the .20 Practical, which is, I believe, a .223 simply necked down to .20 caliber with no other changes. This time Tracy has certainly stepped up the game, by making an experiment he calls qrp versus 20 watts, what are the practical differences. Sat Sep 03, ... Id say custom chambered .204 Ruger vs .20 Tac, its more down to the guy who loads it. Todd invented a new 20 calibre based on the .223 case, resulting in the very modern .204 cartridge known as the 20 Tactical or Tac 20. I have both a 20TAC and a 204R. For hunting, field shooting or travel I'd take the 20. You can buy 20 Tactical … Facebook. Twitter. I don't need one ... just looking for something a little different to play with. All it takes is a Redding .223 bushing die with a smaller bushing and a .204 cal stem. I would think that a standard 20 Prac would be the same. That project rifle was ultra-accurate — every 5-shot group out of the gun was less than the size of a dime. In the real world there is little between the .204 Ruger, Vartarg, Tactical, Practical or any other of the more exotic wildcats. A 20 cal rifle with the heavier bullets (40gr V-Max) is a very flat shooting rifle, much like a 22-250, with less cost, recoil, and noise. Ammo production can involve the use of … "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. abijohn Member. You can buy 20 Tactical brass from Dakota Arms, or … Re: 204 v 20 tactical. Here some confusion comes in. Get a .20 Practical cut on a 1:9 or 1:8 blank. Premier League 2019/20: West Ham vs Tottenham – tactical analysis. I hope test more bullets in the near future and get back after some coyotes pretty quick. Been looking on the internet and have found some info on .204 Ruger as well as .20 Tactical and Practical. A 20" barrel will be inherently better consistently at shorter ranges, such as those in an urban environment, such as a Police Sharpshooter, where precision is the key, and not range. Re: 20 Tactical vs 204 in an AR Post by rbp75503 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:24 pm When I was considering a 223 based .20cal as a companion of my .204 Ruger upper I went with a 20 Practical upper. You can use range brass to make 20 Practical cases and the dies cost much less that the 20 Tactical. The RT 20/20 is designed for Gen 3 and up GLOCK pistols in the standard 9mm, .40, .357 SIG, and .45 GAP frames in compact or full-sized guns. Email. I assume most may pick the 20 Tactical, but I was wondering how much difference in performance there is between the two? .204 Ruger vs .20 Tactical/Practical HI All, was thinking of getting an upper in twenty caliber to shot varmints. I'm shooting a 20 Prac AI, I went this way because its just one pass with a .230 bushing in an "S" die and all I have to do is fire form. .204 Ruger vs .20 Tactical/Practical. This caliber is a great choice when you’re looking for 4200 FPS or better velocities and you are shooting from a fixed position such as prairie dog shooting. .204 Ruger vs .20 Tactical/Practical Discussion in 'AR Talk' started by abijohn, Nov 5, 2013. Lecce and Juventus met in a match that left very attractive elements from the tactics and strategy of both coaches. It's headspace dimensions are identical to the .223 parent case. Run the brass through thedie with a .230 bushing and then run it through with the .225 bushing. Home / AR-15 /.20 Practical /.20 Practical caliber 24″ length.20 Practical caliber 24″ length $ 324.99. Is there a dramatic improvement with a 20 Tact/Prac over a .204 Ruger? The .20 PRACTICAL is also a .223rem case necked down to a .204" bullet, but does NOT have the shoulder pushed back, therefore it holds slightly more powder than the Tactical, offering about the same performance as the .204 Ruger, and giving reliable feeding in AR-15 platform rifles. .204 Ruger vs .20 Tactical/Practical. A few days ago, Tottenham sacked Mauricio Pochettino, given the poor results in the 2019/20 campaign. The .20 Tactical is a wildcat centerfire rifle cartridge, based on the .223 Remington case, necked down to fire a 5.2 millimetres (0.204 in) caliber bullet. Plus the speed is close to the 204. Rated 5.00 out of 5 based on 2 customer ratings (2 customer reviews) AR15 .20 Practical caliber barrel with extension 416R stainless steel 3 polygonal rifling. While the 26 seems to have a lighter recoil. He feels that it will allow him to see the hits on prairie dogs better than the .204 and certainly better than his .22-250. The difference in the powder capacity is 2 tenths of a grain with the 20 Tactical having the slight edge there. The .20 Tactical was designed by Todd Kindler and predates the .204 Ruger factory round. 20 Tac Lapua brass is great but a bit pricey, but it lasts a long time. The 20 Tactical and 20 Practical, as cartridges, are similar. The Premier League is back! Ratings: +0 / 0. Here some confusion comes in, I did see a few 20 Tactical rifles made with a 23 degree shoulder like the .223 Rem, but with the longer neck. .204 Ruger - available off-the-shelf ammo, available (Winchester) factory brass, probable velocity edge over 20 Practical/20 Tactical due to slightly larger case capacity; slightly longer case leaves less room for bullets that I want to run (Berger 55gr) vs. .223-based 20s The .20 Practical project is now in the ammo production phase. Or it dosen,t in my AR-15. Mostly because of the over all length since I would be using a 223 donor which may not allow longer 204 rounds to fit the magazine. Steve. 20 Practical — Easy, Accurate, Affordable Wildcat. They suffered from a terrible away form, which their last away victory was in January. A shotgun can be too heavy, kick too much, or penetrate too much. I shoot them from my .204 with a 1:9 Shilen, but what it leaves me with is an auto-ejecting, manual loading, single shot rifle. The 20 Practical is the same shoulder angle as the 223 and shouldn,t have any feeding problems in the Ar-15. This is a discussion on .204 Ruger vs .20 Tactical/Practical within the M16 AR15 forums, part of the Rifle Forum category; HI All, was thinking of getting an upper in twenty caliber to shot varmints. I also have a 22-250 in a bolt action, a couple AR's in .223 in various barrel lengths and twists. The 20 TAC is a 24" Shilen barreled AR and the 204's I have are two 25" CZ 527's and a 26" Remington 700. 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